Age 15 Sporean petition: LKY to apologize to Sporeans
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Hey, why are you discouraging him from showing concern ???? It is a good sign that he voices out as compared with those kiasu kiasi self-centred Singaporeans. Age does not matter for one to be concerned on what is happening in Singapore.Unless you are very happy with the way the PAP runs the country then I would understand why.
because life is too stressfulWhy want to make this 15 old year over being concerned
whats going on in this world when so many ppl bo chap
just roll their money in the casino
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
because life is too stressfulWhy want to make this 15 old year over being concerned
whats going on in this world when so many ppl bo chap
just roll their money in the casino
The way you are that is no wonder people in Singapore are suffering from paying more and more. If others want to bo chup does not mean this 15 year old needs to follow suit.The very fact that people praised this 15 year old for his action is because he is unlike what you said of the bochup people.
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that teenager (boy), just felt insecure
here no more iron rice bowl
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Originally posted by AH TRUTH 1:
that teenager (boy), just felt insecure
here no more iron rice bowl
how u know ?maybe he from rich family
also mah
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Unfortunately, many of these cannot think out of the box.
how am I going to put in words abt the civil service as a whole..They're inward looking organistions
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Originally posted by sbst275:
how am I going to put in words abt the civil service as a whole..They're inward looking organistions
YOu are right, I was from a govt related organisation I know how they work.They want to be good citizens to the govt and resort to forcing staff to do charity, OMG!
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i always heard it is good to work in govt bodies
pay very good, shake legs , good bonus, no retrenchment
etc this and that
true a not ar
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
YOu are right, I was from a govt related organisation I know how they work.They want to be good citizens to the govt and resort to forcing staff to do charity, OMG!
not in tis angle of view.It's always thinking (content) the public sector is doing better than e private sector (I dun mena paying better wages or sort).
Hence any investment onto upgrading of svs w/ capital is frown upon saying there's no need to do so.
But wait until events like YOG, wayang n so willing to spend billions onto infastructure.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
not in tis angle of view.It's always thinking (content) the public sector is doing better than e private sector (I dun mena paying better wages or sort).
Hence any investment onto upgrading of svs w/ capital is frown upon saying there's no need to do so.
But wait until events like YOG, wayang n so willing to spend billions onto infastructure.
They have their own agenda to fulfill. -
wow forecasting sure pays alot
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
They have their own agenda to fulfill.
everything these days 1st thing is does it save $$ or make more profits.
but lots of things cannot be compared in monetary terms, and tat's what many youngsters has to realise this.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
everything these days 1st thing is does it save $$ or make more profits.but lots of things cannot be compared in monetary terms, and tat's what many youngsters has to realise this.
I am not sure if you notice this is so especially after news of them losing billions are out. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
I am not sure if you notice this is so especially after news of them losing billions are out.
of course mabut really, end of the day young gen gotta realise not everything can be counted in monetary terms.
And really, seeing events like YOG. Lots of things can be done one, simply if everyone takes effort, focus and will to do things to get it done.
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Originally posted by x4dish:
but what LKY says is true, if sporeans can't beat others on your homeground, can you really expect a small island country to survive in the global landscape? he's 87, he's definitely not always right, but on this count, he definitely is.
i think kenneth lin just wants to bring up the point that LKY is responsible for the social flaws that he brought up, and LKY therefore shouldn't be screwing other people for his own mistakes.
actually, why make so much noise? it's a survival game after all, and LKY is just trying his best to push singapore to survive. sometimes as a politician, he just has to make tough and unpopular choices. it's not easy to understand men in his position, why brew further conflict?
i just think the whole petition is unnecessary, and proves the old man's point even further
The problem is not about beating others on our home turf - as it is more about the PAP opening the flood-gates and allowing a flood of foreigners to overwhelm us, and make us even more dependent on the PAP.
Since the Colonial Days, Singapore was doing fine up until LKY entered the political scene in 1957, and embarked on his own ambitious social engineering.
In the late 1960s, after being kicked out of Malaysia, LKY panicked with the challenges that faced him, and insisted in implementing population control as part of the means to defuse a political time bomb in finding sufficient jobs to placate a growing population. This was at a time when UK had also announced its plans to withdraw from her colonies East of Suez.
In the process, he refused to listen to those advisers who tried to persuade him on the fine line of tinkering with social engineering in population control.
He did not listen, and continued with his old strategy of creating an environment that made Singaporeans depend on the PAP for everything to survive.
Has it not dawn on you that from the very beginning it has been LKY's strategy to control the future of Singaporeans, and in the process to control his own political future ?
With the Government Linked Companies dominating the commercial scene and pushing aside large, medium and small enterprises, and monopolising all aspects of services required by Singaporeans - the Government Linked Companies had by the late-1970s, become the largest employer of Singaporeans.
By 2004, the NTUC policy of getting Singaporeans to accept the "no iron rice bowl" idea and to accept short term employment contracts - is to help the GLCs to lower their costs to retrench Singaporeans made redundant at every economic downturn cycle, that had become more regular every five to ten years since 1987.
Can the enterprise of Singaporeans compete against the overwhelming Government Linked Companies ?
By beating the foreigners on home ground - it is obvious that LKY is suggesting that Singaporeans accept the stupidity of Lim Swee Say's "cheaper, better and faster" - and accept the lower paying jobs now taken up by foreigners.
The number of Foreign Talents that actually take up the higher paying jobs cannot be more then the large numbers of Bangladeshis, Myanmese, Filippinos and PRC Chinese taking up the many mid-level paying skilled jobs.
The largest employer of these low paying foreigners are the many government linked companies such as shipyards, airport operations, engineering firms, super-markets, and medical sectors.
The intention of the PAP Government as Singapore Inc - is to lower its own costs of operations so as to be in a better position to report its own super performance to Singaporeans, and all done at the expense of Singaporeans who pay their million dollar wages.
The 15-year old showed the clarity of mind to be able to cut through the issues that clearly showed the ingrate in LKY, who having climbed the ladder of success, has now forgotten who helped him build and placed that ladder in position for him to climb
This is the avarice shown in LKY, who dared to accuse JBJ for showing avarice in his persistent attempts to gain political success.
Why will such a thought enter the mind of LKY ?
Knowing the far-sighted ways of LKY, this was already part of his own thought process - way back in the 1980s; and which saw fruition in the million dollar wages being paid out in the late 1990s when all opposition is neutralised, retired, exiled, or dead.
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Tat 'cheaper, better, faster' dun make sense in e long run.
if you want to be better and faster in productivity and efficiency, wages gotta go up to push corporations to look into ways to improve it (sadly to say, lesser ppl would be employed as well).
push wages low, no one has e incentive to do so.
Sadly to speak, our dear neighbour upnorth is now facing problems, they can't compete on value added industries, neither could they w/ PRC or Vietnam thks to wage level.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
The problem is not about beating other on our home turf - it is about the PAP opening the flood-gate to have a flood of foreigners to overwhelm us, and make us even more dependent on the PAP.
Singapore was doing fine up until LKY refused to listen to those advisers who tried to persuade him on the fine line of tinkering with social engineering in population control.
He did not listen, and continued with his old strategy of creating an environment that make Singaporeans depend on the PAP for everything to survive.
Has it not dawn on you that from the very beginning it has been LKY's strategy to control the future of Singaporeans and in the process to control his own political future ?
With the Government Linked Companies dominating the commercial scene and pushing aside large, medium and small enterprises, and monopolising all aspects of services required by Singaporeans - the Government Linked Companies have largely become the largest employer of Singaporeans.
The NTUC policy of getting Singaporeans to accept the "no iron rice bowl" idea and to accept short term employment contracts - is to help the GLCs to lower their costs to retrench Singaporeans made redundant at every economic downturn cycle that had become more regular every five to ten years since 1987.
Can the enterprise of Singaporeans compete against the overwhelming Government Linked Companies ?
By beating the foreigners on home ground - it is obvious that LKY is suggesting that Singaporeans accept the stupidity of Lim Swee Say's "cheaper, better and faster" - and accept the lower paying jobs now taken up by foreigners.
The number of Foreign Talents that actually take up the higher paying jobs cannot be more then the large numbers of Bangladeshis, Myanmese, Filippinos and PRC Chinese taking up the many mid-level paying skilled jobs.
The largest employer of these low paying foreigners are the many government linked companies such as shipyards, airport operations, engineering firms, super-markets, and medical sectors.
The intention of the PAP Government as Singapore Inc - is to lower its own costs of operations so as to be in a better position to report its own super performance to Singaporeans, and all done at the expense of Singaporeans who pay their million dollar wages.
The 15-year old showed the clarity of mind to be able to cut through the issues that clearly showed the ingrate in LKY, who having climbed the ladder of success, has now forgotten who helped him build and placed that ladder in position for him to climb
This is the avarice shown in LKY, who dared to accuse JBJ for showing avarice in his persistent attempts to gain political success.
Why will such a thought enter the mind of LKY ?
Knowing the far-sighted ways of LKY, this was already part of his own thought process - way back in the 1980s; and which saw fruition in the million dollar wages being paid out in the late 1990s when all opposition is neutralised, retired, exiled, or dead.
I suppose if LKY listen to the advisors he would not be able to fulfill his own agenda.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Tat 'cheaper, better, faster' dun make sense in e long run.
if you want to be better and faster in productivity and efficiency, wages gotta go up to push corporations to look into ways to improve it (sadly to say, lesser ppl would be employed as well).
push wages low, no one has e incentive to do so
How dare you question the logic of higher mortals?
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Originally posted by charlize:
How dare you question the logic of higher mortals?
challenge?wat was the wage policy during the late 70s and early 80s industrial restructuring?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Tat 'cheaper, better, faster' dun make sense in e long run.
if you want to be better and faster in productivity and efficiency, wages gotta go up to push corporations to look into ways to improve it (sadly to say, lesser ppl would be employed as well).
push wages low, no one has e incentive to do so
Now the govt is into paying low wage and get people to work more. My friend was invited to attend training at CDC. In the training the people there were brainwashed to believe that it is the trend these days for workers to get low wage and work more. Govt is exploiting staff. The word should not be "trend", the more appropriate word should be "exploitation".
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Now the govt is into paying low wage and get people to work more. My friend was invited to attend training at CDC. In the training the people there were brainwashed to believe that it is the trend these days for workers to get low wage and work more. Govt is exploiting staff. The word should not be "trend", the more appropriate word should be "exploitation".
gone geela. Actually even those jobs tat get lower wages, still need to enhance training like retail cashiers. Somehow they can also led to value addedness if service level improves.As I'm looking back at the industrial restructuring policy announced back in 1979, if we had continued use and amend some of the polcies, we wun have today's issue over wages vs productivity issues.
of course some of the policy also led to the slight downfall of Jurong
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I strongly disagreed with low wages and work more.
Low wages cannot feed the family, kids, parents and all the bills and foods.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
gone geela. Actually even those jobs tat get lower wages, still need to enhance training like retail cashiers. Somehow they can also led to value addedness if service level improves.As I'm looking back at the industrial restructuring policy announced back in 1979, if we had continued use and amend some of the polcies, we wun have today's issue over wages vs productivity issues.
of course some of the policy also led to the slight downfall of Jurong
I think what the govt is doing is more for their own benefits rather than the people.
They are ceasing opportunity to get cheap labour in the midst of the recession when supply of labour is much much higher than demand
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
I think what the govt is doing is more for their own benefits rather than the people.
They are ceasing opportunity to get cheap labour in the midst of the recession when supply of labour is much much higher than demand
nahthey think they benefit more but it's going to murder them in years to come
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Govt don't care the low wage is sufficient for one to cope with the costs of living , they just want to encourage paying workers low and work more.
When one rejects a low wage job that cannot help to cope with the ever rising costs of living , the govt point fingers at the job seeker for being choosy. This is how nasty the current govt in sg are. They refuse to be considerate to think of the needs of the people.
If we continue to let this sort of govt rule sg, very soon many singaporeans will have to go other countries work as maids and so on. hahahah , this they ever said so if they get voted out.
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