$50 rental ...
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Originally posted by decent02:
550 degree....u say leh
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Hmm.. might as well set 9.30pm- 9.30am. At least night relief can still earn the morning peak hrs.
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Originally posted by JoeRaj:
You driving for how many years ah?
Rot? You drive 12-15 hours expect relief to rot? Lets see what happen after 3-4 years, who will rot?
You can offer whatever price, depends whether ppl want or agree.
What Poolman is saying is correct. 8pm to 8am although looks like 12 hours, actually isn't. You can't drive these 12 hours fully. Because weekday after 1-6, not easy to find, so have to go back and then come out again at 6 to find morning pax, effectively you are splitting the relief shift, so is 50-50 fair, ask yourself? Whereas hirer guaranteed of pax from 8am to 8pm.
Hirers can think what they want, but those who have been driving long, know it's very much a relief's choice still to choose whether to deal with calculative hirers.
Hirer and relief not the same. Hirer gets all the benefits, relief doesn't, you expect the relief to share the your burden 50-50?
Good luck with your $60 offer, but let me tell you, relief never will rot, not in our industry.
Bro,
soon, more hirer will end up like me, rather earn lesser, rather let park the cab there and let it rot also shiok.
U dam power la. from this sentence, you can comprehend until I said let the relief rot. Are u having problem with your English or you are twisting my quote to put words into my mouth to serve your own gain?
Since when I said relief rot?
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Originally posted by Onewaytransfer:
Did you forget your..
TS talking about shift from 8pm to 8am.
What's wrong with 8 to 8?
It consist of 6 hours of 25% surcharge with plenty of booking calls and
6 hours of 50% surcharge.
To most ppl, midnight cannot get pax. i repeat - most but not all.
I tried driving day last week and gosh, really dunno where to go. cos I am not familar, so same goes with ppl who are familar with driving night.
what u guys think if that $50 for 8pm to 8am comes with a guaranteed minimum $100 earning between midnight to 6, interested?
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In any jobs, working in midnight shift are alway paid more, from operators to shipyard workers to guards, they are given special allowances and benefit, so in fact, those driving nite shift should earn more than those morning shift, and that is why got these 25 to 50% surcharges, but if you, as a hirer is going to base on this to justify a higher relief rental, I believe it will be hard for any relief to swallow, unless one who is new or plain naive.
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
soon, more hirer will end up like me, rather earn lesser, rather let park the cab there and let it rot also shiok.
Anybody gain ? nobody gain anything .That is what we talking .
Citycab still earn the same rental everyday .
What they saying , since park there , let's go realistic , and let go cheap cheap , rather than park there .
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
What's wrong with 8 to 8?
It consist of 6 hours of 25% surcharge with plenty of booking calls and
6 hours of 50% surcharge.
To most ppl, midnight cannot get pax. i repeat - most but not all.
I tried driving day last week and gosh, really dunno where to go. cos I am not familar, so same goes with ppl who are familar with driving night.
what u guys think if that $50 for 8pm to 8am comes with a guaranteed minimum $100 earning between midnight to 6, interested?
Since you don't know what is call "graveyard shift". than let me enlighten you a bit in layman.
TS asking 8pm-8am..you think is normal shift?
Anything don't fall between 5-5 is abnormal.
Who want to work this kind of shift if no benefit and perk.
By working in this kind of shift, even the driver earn more than hirer is also non of hirer business.
This fellow just doing you a flavour, so that your cab don't need to park at car park and buy season parking.In other word, hirer is TAIKO.
Market practice...anything more than 30, they will ask you go fly kite.
Taking over timing for night relief is VERY important compare to day driver. This kind of shift is not for permanent night relief.
Hopefully my layman approach can make you understand "more" a bit,
Who's the one will drive this kind of shift, go and check around and you will be enlighten.
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Originally posted by Onewaytransfer:
Since you don't know what is call "graveyard shift". than let me enlighten you a bit in layman.
TS asking 8pm-8am..you think is normal shift?
Anything don't fall between 5-5 is abnormal.
Who want to work this kind of shift if no benefit and perk.
By working in this kind of shift, even the driver earn more than hirer is also non of hirer business.
This fellow just doing you a flavour, so that your cab don't need to park at car park and buy season parking.In other word, hirer is TAIKO.
Market practice...anything more than 30, they will ask you go fly kite.
Taking over timing for night relief is VERY important compare to day driver. This kind of shift is not for permanent night relief.
Hopefully my layman approach can make you understand "more" a bit,
Who's the one will drive this kind of shift, go and check around and you will be enlighten.
anything dun fall between 5-5 is abnormal? who decide?
So happens that MOST ppl choose that time slot, that's all. Most ppl do it doesn't make it a LAW.
People set their timing on their own convenience, I have seen 3-3 type cos hirer need to do other stuff after 3, anything wrong with that if he can find a relief? or just because it's not 5-5, must give hefty discount? Mine is 6.30 to 6.30, anything wrong?
I DO know what is graveyard shift. It's also compensated there with the 50% surcharge. It's also normal of relief to so call "buy at lowest, sell at highest" or "buy garbage but sell as antique. He sure want to get the lowest possible rental and as u said, even if he can sell as antique is non of hirer business.
Anyway, no point argue so much, everything is subject to supply and demand.
U want my cab at $30, I rather leave it idle there and rest. As Poolman said, $30? press meter can get liao. No need to spoil the market.
Relief is King? see which hirer u meet la!
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dun understand this type of topic also can create so much arguments.. haiz...
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hirer - relief..
give n take...
wat time to wat time... between the two...
but if relief cannot earn... juz throw key lor...
hav seen so many cases... relief being taken advantage of by hirer... end up realise not worth it... or found better arrangements... moved on...
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
anything dun fall between 5-5 is abnormal? who decide?
So happens that MOST ppl choose that time slot, that's all. Most ppl do it doesn't make it a LAW.
People set their timing on their own convenience, I have seen 3-3 type cos hirer need to do other stuff after 3, anything wrong with that if he can find a relief? or just because it's not 5-5, must give hefty discount? Mine is 6.30 to 6.30, anything wrong?
I DO know what is graveyard shift. It's also compensated there with the 50% surcharge. It's also normal of relief to so call "buy at lowest, sell at highest" or "buy garbage but sell as antique. He sure want to get the lowest possible rental and as u said, even if he can sell as antique is non of hirer business.
Anyway, no point argue so much, everything is subject to supply and demand.
U want my cab at $30, I rather leave it idle there and rest. As Poolman said, $30? press meter can get liao. No need to spoil the market.
Relief is King? see which hirer u meet la!
In one of my post here, you won't have any friends if your mentality is at such.
Nobody will want your taxi at 30 for 8pm-8am shift, is the other way round.
If you still can't get my point, maybe should use more layman term.
I had a lot of kakis who know I driving OMO, many know that after 8, my taxi will park and idle. Some of my kakis have days time job, need money for whatever reason, as friends, we help each other, as long is proper channel, money come secondary. Some had to moonlight in order to tide over.
This are just one of the many example why some wanted to drive graveyard shift, some looking for opportunity but many or not.
There's no argument here, forum is for debate and discuss, after that close shop and look forward for another thread, no harm feeling, good day.
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Originally posted by Onewaytransfer:
In one of my post here, you won't have any friends if your mentality is at such.
Nobody will want your taxi at 30 for 8pm-8am shift, is the other way round.
If you still can't get my point, maybe should use more layman term.
I had a lot of kakis who know I driving OMO, many know that after 8, my taxi will park and idle. Some of my kakis have days time job, need money for whatever reason, as friends, we help each other, as long is proper channel, money come secondary. Some had to moonlight in order to tide over.
This are just one of the many example why some wanted to drive graveyard shift, some looking for opportunity but many or not.
There's no argument here, forum is for debate and discuss, after that close shop and look forward for another thread, no harm feeling, good day.
Nice forum action!
criticising my mentality, making comments that I got no friends and then close shop.
I dun need friends like u. friends with benefits? Save it for yr kakis
forum IS for discussion, but when you go into criticising people and getting personal just because that person dun agree with u? .......
Whether I got takers or not is NOYFB!
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Originally posted by MMO69:
Fair or not, let the market force (demand and supply) decide.
Like I said earlier,
Fair or not, let the market force (demand and supply) decide.
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Look fellas, as TS said $50 sat nite 8pm to 8am, I think is a golden opportunity for the relief to make money. Can easily turnover 4-5 times that amount!
Talking as a hirer myself:
I am main con and the relief wanna sub my vehicle for biz gotta hear my terms and conditions right? Accept or not is up to him.
After all, he gets to make money and if suay suay he thrash my cab until half-dead, I have to pick up the pieces, right? So it is up to me to feel it is worth my while before I let the relief have the cab, right?
We dunno each other and I am not doing public service, so there is no who helping who right? If the relief is not making any money and willing to share paying my rental, then that is called helping!
So back to supply and demand, if there are 10 reliefs around my block, is it wrong for me to increase the rental?
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
Bro,
soon, more hirer will end up like me, rather earn lesser, rather let park the cab there and let it rot also shiok.
U dam power la. from this sentence, you can comprehend until I said let the relief rot. Are u having problem with your English or you are twisting my quote to put words into my mouth to serve your own gain?
Since when I said relief rot?
I think before we start talking about my command of English, pls re-read what you had posted and the thread in general and see what it means.
If we not talking about a relief taking over then what are talking about? CDG got 2 hirers now? Cab park there means what? Pray tell? For a passer-by to take over?
Or park there because hirer want terms that relief has to follow? Since when will a parked cab come to rot?
We already had many threads about late night shifts. Once I asked for opinions about a 11pm to 6 pm one @ $25. After much discussion, I agreed with many posters that hirer while not wrong is trying to squeeze every single bit. Of course midnight can earn, but at what price and effort? Why not offer 6pm to 12 midnight at $25, as you say 6pm to midnight only got 25% not 50%. Offer that la.
Yes forum is about opinions, you can offer yours, but expect others to disagree. If you made a mistake, just admit it, yeah I thought it was a good idea, but after consideration maybe not such a good idea.
Go ask any TD, midnight shift means what? From 5 or 6 pm to 12 midnight, you must go earn your rent, diesel and minimum amount, after 12, it's all bonus, except Fri and Sat, after 12 can cari makan.
Talking about 8pm. My friend has an offer at that time for 20 days. 8pm to 6am, he ask me what to offer, I said anywhere from $35-40, if you get $30 better still, but $35 is about right. Why because no point extending to 8am, you will have stay awake for 12 hours at night, not good on the body.
Your offer is genuinely what you believed, but it's also flawed when you consider all the factors in. If you cannot accept that, then no point in explaining further, you're entitled to your views, we are entitled to offer differing ones in turn.
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hey guys, it a free market. since there isn't any rule and guide let it decide on it's own.
hirer feel it is worth a certain rate , relief feel worth a try and take it or throw later, up to them to be realistic and should they find it worth all the trouble going thru.
not everyone can be a good td making good money, some want pass time , some need money to cover various personal committment. all up to individual (hirer/relief).
every experience or comment are already in this forum , read or not read, up to individual. you being helpful but sometime other just don't appreciate. what to do?
let's spend useful time for other matters lah
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
Nice forum action!
criticising my mentality, making comments that I got no friends and then close shop.
I dun need friends like u. friends with benefits? Save it for yr kakis
forum IS for discussion, but when you go into criticising people and getting personal just because that person dun agree with u? .......
Whether I got takers or not is NOYFB!
You sure have a short memory..
(What's wrong with 8 to 8? It consist of 6 hours of 25% surcharge with plenty of booking calls  and 6 hours of 50% surcharge. To most ppl, midnight cannot get pax. i repeat - most but not all. I tried driving day last week and gosh, really dunno where to go. cos I am not familar, so same goes with ppl who are familar with driving night. what u guys think if that $50 for 8pm to 8am comes with a guaranteed minimum $100 earning between midnight to 6, interested?)
I'm replying to your disagreement by YOURSELF...
From TS post until you reply my post...I never even say anything on your post.
Why 5-5 is a norm although not by law, go and ask those senior.
To drive from daylight to darkness is easy as ABC, but to drive from darkness to daylight for 365 days, you think is normal?
Anyway, nobody provoke you, look at your own reply to any forummers here, who started first, and who put up the first vogue word?
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Bing James, I have tried 8 pm to 8 am. Its ok . Still can make it . But due to poor health I am starting from 2 am to 10 am. 8 hours and then closed shop. Have a nice day .
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Hirers' mentality--> I rather earn less but u (relief) got no income. Reliefs' mentality--> I can alws find other hirers but u (hirer) slog like hell cos OMO. Haiz.. neverending story la~~
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everything add together... didvide by 2... each one gets the cab for 12 hours...
all problems solved!
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Originally posted by Khoon2580:
everything add together... didvide by 2... each one gets the cab for 12 hours...
all problems solved!
My point is not half rental, or half shift..is the timing.
No permanent night relief will come knock your door and offer to drive this time. If have, please pm me, good for me.
5-5 is norm, 6-6 ok la, 630-630, still can sustain...7pm onwards...night drivers think twice lo.
My years of driving, the successful partnership between both parties still 5-5, don't believe, ask around. No argument one, long term partnership.
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Saturday night shift 8pm-8am @$50 still can have a good decent income.
if this shift timing use on mon-thur, then u will make lesser.
out of curiosity, i printed my hirer night shift trip record to see. With good experience and never give up spirit, he scored with flying colour. the record showed mon-tue abit slow. sometimes, took one hour to get a pax after midnight.
overall, his income is abt 20-30% higher than me over the last five years.
good or bad shif timings are very subjective.
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Originally posted by weehu:
Saturday night shift 8pm-8am @$50 still can have a good decent income.
if this shift timing use on mon-thur, then u will make lesser.
out of curiosity, i printed my hirer night shift trip record to see. With good experience and never give up spirit, he scored with flying colour. the record showed mon-tue abit slow. sometimes, took one hour to get a pax after midnight.
overall, his income is abt 20-30% higher than me over the last five years.
good or bad shif timings are very subjective.
Just to add on, in case someone firing again.
My point of debate also not on how much a relief can earn.
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Hirer and relief have a back to back (背é� 背) relationship. No one is the king. only good partnership enable u to make money. keng here keng there dun make u rich.
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Hi. Been a silent follower of the forum for so long, cant resist my fingers to post a reply to this thread. FYI I am a OMO For e start, I think it is perfectly fine to charge relief $50 for a fri or sat 8pm to 8am shift. Relief will have no problem to fetch a decent return as town is full with paxs even during midnite. If lucky, can get connections at hdb estate. But to charge relief $50 for a weekday 8pm to 8am shift is subjective. For me is a no no. Granted that there are 6 hrs of peak hrs and 6 hrs of midnite surcharge. Relief will face a challenge to make it works. For example. Relief starts driving at 8pm at CCK, if lucky he can get a fare straight away at CCK. Cross his fingers that the trip will bring him to town or near it. If not shuttles between hdb towns, or drives to nearby business/ industrial district and waits for call. Likely he will need to drive empty to town starting fr 11pm. By then town is almost dead. After 2am, waiting time will be longer. Midnite drive during mon to thurs is never easy. No doubt relief can still earn a minimum of $100 for this 6 hrs of midnite driving. Considering his higher usage of diesel, his hourly average will be lower than those driving during non peak hrs daytime. Come to morning peak, relief will have to drive very restrictedly as he will have to return cab by 8am. Can he take call or fetch street pax to airport and rush back to CCK in time? Imagine getting himself stuck in jam on expressway during his way back. Lastly should he need to wash car or top up diesel, more downtime needed. Finally it still comes down to the supply vs demand thingy. If relief willing to bite e bullet and take e 8pm to 8am slot for weekdays, it will be his choice. He has only himself to answer for his decision. As a responsible hirer, one has to set terms to achieve a win win situation for both hirer and relief. Then relationship will then be a long lasting one