Bus service with heaviest loading
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a true bus fan must board 1st bus of the day!
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And wait till last bus everyday?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
And wait till last bus everyday?
yes! i have taken first buses and last buses.... and even NR and NiteOwl. i iz true bus fan!
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Originally posted by sinicker:
yes! i have taken first buses and last buses.... and even NR and NiteOwl. i iz true bus fan!
Not enough la...true bus fan must be able to extrapoliate and project the future.
We have predicting specialist, are you one?
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Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:
If you don't like Citaro is fine, to call it rubbish , is totally out of order. You and SmB128 are irritants and the real garbages in this forum are you and him! Perfect match for each hour. I would rather take citaro over f lousy scania and make 3s day. Do the rest of us a favour! STFU of your constant bombasting of Citaro, because no one is interested to hear your whining !Charles, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as in you and SMB128B but name calling is downright rude and totally uncalled for since both he/1 did not insult or name call you.
I condemn citaros coz i face them everyday on sv16, as i mentioned in this forum on other threads, i cant board the bus and have to wait for the next sv16 or the next till i can board.
If i can board, the so-called aircon in the bus is making me perspire?! so?! SBST's citaros are not modified for local conditions.
Unless you face this conditions daily, dun jump the game and start insulting, name calling everyone.
If you did read the earlier post with eyes open, the comparison was made with the reliable MK IIIs, the result was and is still RUBBISH.
Fyi, i have travelled to Europe countless times and have taken their CITAROs but i did not whine about them coz the local bus operators have done a good job of maintaining their buses so that it is comfortable to all passengers.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
WHEN AND IN WHAT F***ING WAY DID I EVER INSULTED THE B10Ms?! I MERELY SAID TAT B10M IS NOT SUITABLE ON 163 LIKE CITAROS, I NVR RANTED INSULTS RITE?Look at the load and frequency of 163. I SWEAR TO GOD tat after 15-20 mins of waiting at a burning bus stop, u would like a nice cool KUB to appear in front of u rite? NOT THOSE STUFFY STRIDERS RITE? you would oso like to sit in peace without ppl cramming around u rite? WELL, B10M CAN'T DO THE JOB COZ U WILL HV PPL OWNING THE CORRIDORS DUH!
Stop owning 163 and Fernvale PIWs liddat can? i m sure old folks PIW like my mom would like direct link to TPY on 163 rite? since TPY got a lot of old folks go... do spare an thought on those poor folks and juz let 163 become a WAB svc ASAP can?
Evry bus will have sme1 cramming around you, citaro will not be any better as the bus is smaller.
If Striders are stuffy, then most of SBST buses will be stuffy also as more than half of SBST's fleet use Sutrak aircon, so care to explain yourself?!
Whether sv163 becomes WAB or not is up to LTA not what i type here.
If indeed sv163 is important and a cash cow, the frequency would not be 15-20mins.
You still do not understand that a MK III can carry more SITTING passengers rather than a KUB, Citaro.
If a bus can carry more sitting passengers, wouldnt the commuters esp the elderly be happy as they can grab a seat rather than stand?!
i cannot comprehend your mashed up last paragraph but i can conclude this point :
Old folks have been around way before WAB, low floor buses are introduced to SG. You mean previously when there was no WAB buses in SG, old folks cannot climb steps to board the bus?!
What logic of yours is tt?!
If you have a chance to go overseas pref Europe, take their CITAROs and compare to local citaros and you will see/feel the difference yourself
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I believe SBST will do something about the Citaro's aircon...previously people made noise about the hot rear of the K230UB and they ended up cutting a hole on each side of the aircon ducts.
Now people are complaining that the superman seat is too cold.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I believe SBST will do something about the Citaro's aircon...previously people made noise about the hot rear of the K230UB and they ended up cutting a hole on each side of the aircon ducts.
Now people are complaining that the superman seat is too cold.
Superman seat shiok got solid aircon blowing... easy to ZzZz...
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A bit extreme already la....2 blast of cold air isn't going to help me sleep if I keep sneezing.
My favourite seat is still the 3rd row after steps. Its above the wheel and suffers less from the rocking horse effect without being too far in front.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
A bit extreme already la....2 blast of cold air isn't going to help me sleep if I keep sneezing.
My favourite seat is still the 3rd row after steps. Its above the wheel and suffers less from the rocking horse effect without being too far in front.
my favourite seats are 1st row after steps and last row, all window seats pls thanks!
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Evry bus will have sme1 cramming around you, citaro will not be any better as the bus is smaller.
If Striders are stuffy, then most of SBST buses will be stuffy also as more than half of SBST's fleet use Sutrak aircon, so care to explain yourself?!
Whether sv163 becomes WAB or not is up to LTA not what i type here.
If indeed sv163 is important and a cash cow, the frequency would not be 15-20mins.
You still do not understand that a MK III can carry more SITTING passengers rather than a KUB, Citaro.
If a bus can carry more sitting passengers, wouldnt the commuters esp the elderly be happy as they can grab a seat rather than stand?!
i cannot comprehend your mashed up last paragraph but i can conclude this point :
Old folks have been around way before WAB, low floor buses are introduced to SG. You mean previously when there was no WAB buses in SG, old folks cannot climb steps to board the bus?!
What logic of yours is tt?!
If you have a chance to go overseas pref Europe, take their CITAROs and compare to local citaros and you will see/feel the difference yourself
ACx
I said abt PIW ELDERLY, elderly in wheelchairs!!!Who cares abt more sitting? seats takes space. elderly gets seat happy? it's a matter of education for ppl to give up seats 2 elderly.
i assume u don't frequently take 163 rite? so stop jumping to conclusions. KUB is STILL the best bus for 163, no matter what angle u look at it.
sorry but i really gotta look into my own points now...
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Oh yes, which reminds me. Is 100% WAB fleet really the way to go?
Take 147 for example, a K230UB or worse, a Citaro, is hardly suited for this route due to a disproportionately large number of elderly taking this service.
Its fine for young folks like me to stand. But it would be hard on the elderly to expect the same. We need diversity in the bus requirements but LTA has set a blanket order which might not be the best solution.
In the case of 147, this service needs full WAB DD fleet. Too many people, and plenty of PIWs and elderly taking this service. The occasional K230UB or B10M in its fleet like what I had today is not good enough. It might be fine for other services to have some SDs or non-WAB buses here and there (like 163) but as I have witnessed today, 147's SDs cannot handle the load. And there was PIW today again. If it had been a B10M, it would have been worse.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Oh yes, which reminds me. Is 100% WAB fleet really the way to go?
Take 147 for example, a K230UB or worse, a Citaro, is hardly suited for this route due to a disproportionately large number of elderly taking this service.
Its fine for young folks like me to stand. But it would be hard on the elderly to expect the same. We need diversity in the bus requirements but LTA has set a blanket order which might not be the best solution.
In the case of 147, this service needs full WAB DD fleet. Too many people, and plenty of PIWs and elderly taking this service. The occasional K230UB or B10M in its fleet like what I had today is not good enough. It might be fine for other services to have some SDs or non-WAB buses here and there (like 163) but as I have witnessed today, 147's SDs cannot handle the load. And there was PIW today again. If it had been a B10M, it would have been worse.
good. u noe wat? replace B10M wif VSO. Problem solved.
Wat i'm flamed at is not that 163 has B10Ms of course, I'M FLAMED AT THE FACT THAT 163 KEPT DOWNGRADED AND NOW ONLY LIKE HALF IS KUB WHEN 163'S RITERIA IS 70-80% !!!
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I can see why.
Because despite living at Fernvale for 2 whole mths, I never saw a single PIW take 163. It made more sense to use the LRT.
Beyond Sengkang, hardly anybody takes 163 except during peak hours from AMK Industrial Park. Even within Sengkang, a single B10M can pick everyone up. Please dont tell me everyone squeeze like sardines and stuff. I used to take 163 and compared to 74 where nobody gets to board only a few stops after HG Int at morning peak hour, 163 has it much better.
SBST's deployments make sense. 147 has plenty of B9TLs, for the reasons I stated. 74 and 161 have plenty of VO3X due to high loading with a young demography.
So obviously 163 gets all of that you are whining. In fact you should be thankful there's even 163 in Sengkang East because the LRT is a better alternative actually.
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Ah 2601
Some bus svs dun even need to go fully WAB at all either, like those tat go jiu hoo
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I said abt PIW ELDERLY, elderly in wheelchairs!!!Who cares abt more sitting? seats takes space. elderly gets seat happy? it's a matter of education for ppl to give up seats 2 elderly.
i assume u don't frequently take 163 rite? so stop jumping to conclusions. KUB is STILL the best bus for 163, no matter what angle u look at it.
sorry but i really gotta look into my own points now...
u tell a SGrean to give up seat to elderly or person in need, see their reaction,
they will just act blur, look at all the reporting in newspaper of SGreans not giving up their seats to those in need or you do not read newspaper, or transport news at all
How many years of education have the local transport companies educate Sgreans to give up their seat and the result?! still status quo
If you actually think what you are writing, you would realise how silly your arguments are, an elderly would definitely want to seat and so does a normal Sgrean who paid for theor fare and wants to be seated.
Which of this SGrean trait do you not understand or you do not hold a pink IC in the 1st place？�
Please do not write as though you know sv163's boarding capacity for weekday, weekend from start to end of service coz i dun but i have knowledge of the loading capacity.
if you think Scania is the best for sv163, use your best command of English to DEMAND full scania fleet for sv163 then
Your insolence is pathetic...
If sv163's scheduled departure of 15-20 mins headway, do you think there still need DDs?!
Your comment of B10Ms to VSO shows your ignorance.
Just to educate you again , SBST fleet of B10M consists of MK IIIs, IVs, Striders, DM3500s not just MK IIIs.
If sv163 is downgraded as claimed by you, everyone will be taking Dennis Dart...lol
Doengrading of route is similar to how HK bus operators downgrade routes that have low capacity, and you still dare say you stay in HK for 6 years and claim you know it all...
As 2601D said, there are more HG DEP buses that need buses upgrade
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Hong Kong's falling ridership problem is diff from us
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Hong Kong's falling ridership problem is diff from us
True, i givin scenario...
i have seen Cross harbour routes Citybus 6xx using MAN SD a month back...
The sunday i was there, sv26 use Dennis DART
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Cross Harbour ar.. 110, 117 are the pretty low demand rts. I'm not too sure abt e mornig specials like 305 & 336.
This is what I figured of Hong Kong's bus routing system... It's also why we cannot follow them either though some of the intention is good.
1) The fare system: It creates the need to implement short haul svs to provide competitive fares against other players i.e. light bus. Bus can be flooding the place during off peak hrs..
2) Specified bus - bus transfer scheme: Dun work here as our's really need feeder bus plying the New Town. Some of our new town layout is not condusive to have trunk buses making 1 round.
But some things we can learn
1) Semi express svs: One thing tat's +ve, but imagine trying to convert some med or long dist rts into semi express and create bus - bus overnight?
2) Special early morning svs: For us, it can also mean providing such svs to Jurong. Of course one issue is where to throw the buses to after their special trips.
That said, HK's bus ridership problem might be attributed to the following issues.
1) MTR expansion: I believe when TKO & MOS rail opened, KMB's business took a drastic hit. It killed off a lot of demand on the remaining Shatin - CBD svs.
2) Route rationalisation: I believe the bus companies are facing a lot of problem whenever they try to amend bus routes.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Cross Harbour ar.. 110, 117 are the pretty low demand rts. I'm not too sure abt e mornig specials like 305 & 336.
This is what I figured of Hong Kong's bus routing system... It's also why we cannot follow them either though some of the intention is good.
1) The fare system: It creates the need to implement short haul svs to provide competitive fares against other players i.e. light bus. Bus can be flooding the place during off peak hrs..
2) Specified bus - bus transfer scheme: Dun work here as our's really need feeder bus plying the New Town. Some of our new town layout is not condusive to have trunk buses making 1 round.
But some things we can learn
1) Semi express svs: One thing tat's +ve, but imagine trying to convert some med or long dist rts into semi express and create bus - bus overnight? Their semi express routes charges the same fare as normal route, eg ,5，5B, 5X
2) Special early morning svs: For us, it can also mean providing such svs to Jurong. Of course one issue is where to throw the buses to after their special trips.
Their special trips bus X-over to other routes when special trip completed...That said, HK's bus ridership problem might be attributed to the following issues.
1) MTR expansion: I believe when TKO & MOS rail opened, KMB's business took a drastic hit. It killed off a lot of demand on the remaining Shatin - CBD svs. Buses were re-diverted to other routes to boost ridership
2) Route rationalisation: I believe the bus companies are facing a lot of problem whenever they try to amend bus routes.
But they set up special routes when they are major events at Wanchai CEC, HK stadium, victoria park etc... -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
Well, even today those remaining rts tat plies to MTR stations find it getting difficult to survive w/ ADD load. Tat's why I think KMB might end up procuring more SDs in future.Those special rts they're pretty good, but the day to day svs are really. Say 691 & 692
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Well, even today those remaining rts tat plies to MTR stations find it getting difficult to survive w/ ADD load. Tat's why I think KMB might end up procuring more SDs in future.Those special rts they're pretty good, but the day to day svs are really. Say 691 & 692
hahaha
692 almost kena rationalised to pk hr svc
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691 & 692's off peak load is abt 10 - 15% nia...
Crowd up Islands's CBD streets?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
691 & 692's off peak load is abt 10 - 15% nia...
Crowd up Islands's CBD streets?
yes.
i took 692 on a sat nite. from Causeway Bay to TKO WHOLE RIDE lower deck oso less than 10 ppl, upper deck is practically EMPTY. Really don't understand y it 's still not rationalised as planned in the rationalisation plan in 2010.
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So... if any of u wanna discuss abt 43's issue, pls discuss here and not feeding the troll in the Cameo thread. Thx.