SBST Volvo B9TL Wright
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Originally posted by off_service:
Go ahead and display your skills
. That's one of your best skills displayed in
this forum 
Hopefully there are some people who will be impressed
i don't see the need to impress people, especially who choose to remain stuck with odd and irrational perceptions..
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Originally posted by off_service:
To SBS9818A and sBs_boy:
"machiam" mentioned by Stage means as if. This means that he is inferring that the Wright bodywork looks as though it is a copied design and not that the Wright is a copied design.
it's not really in contextWhen everyone's mind is Citaro, Citaro, Citaro and anti K, Anti Gemilang.
When no one realises it's licensed front Scania 'sold' to Gemilang.
Geez, all want 'good' buses when it's becoming blind of getting a comfy less crowded ride to work/ school 1st.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
it's not really in contextWhen everyone's mind is Citaro, Citaro, Citaro and anti K, Anti Gemilang.
When no one realises it's licensed front Scania 'sold' to Gemilang.
Geez, all want 'good' buses when it's becoming blind of getting a comfy less crowded ride to work/ school 1st.
nicely put. the obsession with anti K, anti Gemilang, that everything SBST does needs to be placed under intense scrutiny and can do nothing "appropriate" is plain ridiculous and becoming over-the-top.
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I do not want to stir a hornest's nest actually.
But seriously all e fantasy.
Is there Citaro ADD as yet? Buy Citaro G, are we building new bus int tat can house them?
Sadly e latter, LTA dun even bother (I'm looking at pov of the ongoing projects) for bendies anymore e most is because they're still around, so leave some space. Read: 2 bendy lots removed for 4 179 lots at BNL.
1 bendy can take 131 ppl, 1 ADD 131 ppl. Which one is more suitable for Singapore generally?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
1 bendy can take 131 ppl, 1 ADD 131 ppl. Which one is more suitable for Singapore generally?
Its not which is more suitable for Singapore, but more of which is suitable for which routes instead.
If we still stick to the feeder and truck routes systems, then the better option is to just put bendies on high capacity routes that has a high turnover (e.g ppl only take a few stops and alight) such as feeders; while dds for high capacity routes that dont have a high turnover such as trunk routes and semi-express routes (such as 168, 969 and such).
Not much people will go up the upper deck if just taking for a few stops for a dd, that capacity is wasted in that case. Feeders in towns w/bendies and dds for trucks is probably the way to go. Less bus stop spaces occupied in the city too.
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Originally posted by XiaoTaro:
Its not which is more suitable for Singapore, but more of which is suitable for which routes instead.
If we still stick to the feeder and truck routes systems, then the better option is to just put bendies on high capacity routes that has a high turnover (e.g ppl only take a few stops and alight) such as feeders; while dds for high capacity routes that dont have a high turnover such as trunk routes and semi-express routes (such as 168, 969 and such).
Not much people will go up the upper deck if just taking for a few stops for a dd, that capacity is wasted in that case. Feeders in towns w/bendies and dds for trucks is probably the way to go. Less bus stop spaces occupied in the city too.
no point also, because many of the bus stops are just nice for 2x ADD or SD. You add bendies turnaround time is lengthened.In any case Svs like 243 are running at ultra frequent headways now.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I do not want to stir a hornest's nest actually.
But seriously all e fantasy.
Is there Citaro ADD as yet? Buy Citaro G, are we building new bus int tat can house them?
Sadly e latter, LTA dun even bother (I'm looking at pov of the ongoing projects) for bendies anymore e most is because they're still around, so leave some space. Read: 2 bendy lots removed for 4 179 lots at BNL.
1 bendy can take 131 ppl, 1 ADD 131 ppl. Which one is more suitable for Singapore generally?
Last bendy is TIB1247G, de-registering on 2021.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Last bendy is TIB1247G, de-registering on 2021.
2023, provided with extension. -
Originally posted by XiaoTaro:
Its not which is more suitable for Singapore, but more of which is suitable for which routes instead.
If we still stick to the feeder and truck routes systems, then the better option is to just put bendies on high capacity routes that has a high turnover (e.g ppl only take a few stops and alight) such as feeders; while dds for high capacity routes that dont have a high turnover such as trunk routes and semi-express routes (such as 168, 969 and such).
Not much people will go up the upper deck if just taking for a few stops for a dd, that capacity is wasted in that case. Feeders in towns w/bendies and dds for trucks is probably the way to go. Less bus stop spaces occupied in the city too.
current road infrastructure is terribly unfriendly to articulated buses..
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I would rather see more ADDs than bendies. Bendies are a pain in the arse for our current situation, and that's even more apparent when it rains and the buses start queueing up.
Why isn't LTA helping in the coordination externality in SMRT's quest (if any) in getting ADDs?
What's the point of demonstrating a fully low-floor bus or a hybrid, or a euro 5 when its still ultimately just a SD?
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Roads may indeed be unfriendly and at places where there are many svcs stopping an additional bendy there will make it worse, but for places like yishun and wdl, most stops within the town only have 3 and less services running thru it.
If smrt do get ADD, really hope they will put them on svcs like 969 and trunk routes, not on feeders or intra town because simply no one will move upstairs. Take a look at 800 or 804 just for an example.
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Originally posted by XiaoTaro:
Roads may indeed be unfriendly and at places where there are many svcs stopping an additional bendy there will make it worse, but for places like yishun and wdl, most stops within the town only have 3 and less services running thru it.
If smrt do get ADD, really hope they will put them on svcs like 969 and trunk routes, not on feeders or intra town because simply no one will move upstairs. Take a look at 800 or 804 just for an example.
thing is, at e end of the day there's also a cost to e govt to do works to fit in the bendies.For operators, space at depot needed and not to say additional maintenance cost.
Also as we are using interchange for trunk/ MRT - feeder connection, imagine e effect if BNL goes bendy, e additional spaces required.
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Yes its very true there's going to be cost involved, but on the other hand, one type of vehicle are not suited for all kinds of jobs.
Im not disagreeing that more space is needed at depots, interchanges, and bus stops when a bendy is utilized instead of an ADD. Its very true that it does take up more space, but in a case where a bendy and an ADD both needs to drop off 20 pax and pick up 20pax at a bus stop, the bendy would have the upper hand due to the better throughput and flow.
The ADD will encounter a bottleneck between the entrance and stairs in this case when pax alighting from upper deck hold off the 20 pax whos boarding and waiting to go up to upper deck or lower deck.
Of course, if there are 2 ADDs at one stop, both can board at the same time whereas its not possible for the bendy. It all sums up to the situation, and loading demands of each service.
So its better to let the govt and transport co. watch the demands of their services and decide accordingly, utilization of space alone shouldnt be just the factor to not use bendies. Afterall, we are expecting more users to use the public transport network and throughput should also be a factor.
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well, it can be compensated like now 2 - 3 mins AM peak for 243.
ADD can hold up whenever ppl are alighting, but say in a system at e bus stop all the buses are ADD.
no diff le and 3rd bus can commence alighting to speed up boarding process (as in 1st bus wun hold up 2nd bus later on if a twist in turnaround time should occur).
if it's a bendy, 2nd bus e most is commence alighting nia.
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I agree with XiaoTaro. Bendy buses are still more suitable for the heartlands feeder routes, JIS routes and trunk routes where majority of passengers only travel for a short distance. For the rest, ADDs are the best option, except for routes with height restrictions. I think routes with bendy buses are still better than fully-dependent on single-deck buses. For instance, 5 bendy buses is needed for route X; but it may require 8 single-deck buses to meet this capacity, hence requiring more manpower per shift duty (not per bus!). And our bus operators are already facing problems recruiting drivers! Also, I believe its more fuel-saving to use bendy buses in this instance.
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
I agree with XiaoTaro.
Bendy buses are still more suitable for the heartlands feeder routes, JIS routes and trunk routes where majority of passengers only travel for a short distance.
For the rest, ADDs are the best option, except for routes with height restrictions.I think routes with bendy buses are still better than fully-dependent on single-deck buses. For instance, 5 bendy buses is needed for route X; but it may require 8 single-deck buses to meet this capacity, hence requiring more manpower per shift duty (not per bus!). And our bus operators are already facing problems recruiting drivers! Also, I believe its more fuel-saving to use bendy buses in this instance.
Its true that Bendy bus is the way for cost savings and stuffs. But do note that in a place like Singapore where land use is a problem, i dont really think that Bendy buses are that ideal afterall.
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Originally posted by sBs_boy:
Its true that Bendy bus is the way for cost savings and stuffs. But do note that in a place like Singapore where land use is a problem, i dont really think that Bendy buses are that ideal afterall.
Not forgetting they always create unnecessary traffic jams when they filter out of their bus bay or switch lanes....
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Commuters can at least stand at the trailer (back portion) of the bendy. However, commuters cannot stand on the upper deck of DDs.
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Today is my first day seeing the actual SBST b9tl wrights although from far. Saw it when i was boarding sv854.
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i saw the picture on sbs's wiki site. it's nice to the max! at least it look nicer than the 1 with comfortdelgro bodywork.
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Why not suggest this to LTA? Since now is the time that we go green with the environment, and you encouraging us to take buses and trains, why provide us with rigids? If there are 101 people, and rigid can take up 90 out of 101, while bendy can take up like 110, isn't it worth to use bendy where you just need 1 bendy to escort 101 people instead of calling 2 rigids to escort 101 people? Isn't that harming the environment more?
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Originally posted by SBS Transit and SMRT:
Commuters can at least stand at the trailer (back portion) of the bendy. However, commuters cannot stand on the upper deck of DDs.
for? there's alrdy close to 50 seats on upper deck. total capacity is equal to bendy -
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
I agree with XiaoTaro.
Bendy buses are still more suitable for the heartlands feeder routes, JIS routes and trunk routes where majority of passengers only travel for a short distance.
For the rest, ADDs are the best option, except for routes with height restrictions.I think routes with bendy buses are still better than fully-dependent on single-deck buses. For instance, 5 bendy buses is needed for route X; but it may require 8 single-deck buses to meet this capacity, hence requiring more manpower per shift duty (not per bus!). And our bus operators are already facing problems recruiting drivers! Also, I believe its more fuel-saving to use bendy buses in this instance.
dun forget if it's comparing SD vs bendy alone, e factor of longer running time on such short feeder routes.
reminds me, if we were to replace 179's fleet w/ full bendies. The bus stops at Sth Spine...
As for JIS, svs like 246 can't even use thks to the road/ warehouses/ parking condition at Jurong.
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Originally posted by sBs_boy:
Its true that Bendy bus is the way for cost savings and stuffs. But do note that in a place like Singapore where land use is a problem, i dont really think that Bendy buses are that ideal afterall.
That's why I think bendy buses are more suited for the heartlands feeder routes. Generally, the bus-stops that feeder routes call on have only a couple of routes, hence not that congested as other bus-stops. XiaoTaro also mentioned this point in the earlier post which I also agree. -
Originally posted by SBS Transit and SMRT:
Commuters can at least stand at the trailer (back portion) of the bendy. However, commuters cannot stand on the upper deck of DDs.
I don't really believe what's stated in the licenced standing capacity. In actual fact, does a fully packed bus (regardless of SD, ADD or bendies) really carry that many standing passengers? Some of the spaces along the aisle usually only accomodate one row of standing passengers due to various reasons (passengers carrying stuffs, bags, bigger size passengers, etc). We can't really blame them for not squeezing in because if that's so, passengers will find it very difficult to get off the bus, including the seated ones. Though I agree that in some cases, standing passengers are at fault for not moving in when there's plenty of space behind; but that's not always the case! Instead of always asking people to squeeze like sardines and blaming them for not doing so, our bus operators ought to examine themselves whether they should provide more buses to cater to the overloaded demand. I personally feel that a double-decker still carry more passengers than a bendy. As I see SMRT Premium svc 599 with "No Standing" restriction using a bendy bus during the morning peak, I just find it a waste. Such a long bus can only seat far fewer passengers than a double-deck and the bus is almost fully seated at the first few stops. Indirectly, the regular trunk services are deprived of more bigger buses during the peak.